Spot < Hide

A95 · Post by **A95** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:42 pm

My druid can't get anywhere near what the highest hide is with his spot. Isn't that a little fubar?

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:01 pm

Druids shouldn't have spotting ability anyway unless they multiclassed into something that can wear the spotting equipment.

IMO any class that doesn't get spot/listen as a natural skill, should be restricted away from those gears. IE Mages, clerics, druids, paladins wouldn't be able to wear any spotting gear unless they multied enough levels of something else, that did have enough levels, to wear them.

My ranger spots anything, even himself.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:05 pm

I did multi, and if it's going to be like that casas why not make it so that anyone that multiclasses a sneak cant wear sneak gears. It just doesn't make sense.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:38 pm

? Rangers get the max possible hide against their racial enemies and outdoor :E Other stealth chars can't crack 90 hide :E mostly it's in the low 80, , spot is in the 70-90 depending on the build. It's fine..

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:05 pm

How many times do I have to say that 72 is the max for a skill? You did not max your spot if you can't spot a sneak. That or you being human might have a slight affect of not being elven.

18 Druid/ 2 Rogue = 23 spot, 10 or 11 from wisdom mod, 10 from daggers, 10 from amulet, 10 from true seeing, 12 from helmet = enough to spot any sneaker on the server.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:42 pm

I'm telling you right now, i have 57 spot without the amulet, when I put the amulet on i get 59, it's capping me at that for some reason.

I'll break it down.

23 base +11 wisdom + 10 helm + 10 true seeing + 3 armor= 57 (it doesnt add the alertness in on this)

If I try to use the amulet it just gives me +2.... So that makes it utterly worthless.

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:21 pm

Well of course you shouldn't be able to spot them. Hearing a sneak is one thing, spotting them is entirely another. Spot = death to sneaker. At least with listen they have some chance as they can still get sneak attacks on you but spot basically makes them toast.

Very very few things should be able to spot a dedicated sneaker. Nobody likes fighting corner sneakers but I'm not about to remove there utility entirely by allowing every class in the game the ability to take away there ability to land sneak attacks by giving enough spot gear for that to become the general medium used.

Spotting should be much more difficult then hearing. I don't think we have a problem.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:37 pm

Than why do i not get my full +10 when i use that amulet, that's not what im complaining about, im complaining about how people do the math without actually playing the character, for some reason wearing the amulet gives me +2 spot.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:02 pm

Well I actually agree, anyone who isn't a sneak class shouldn't be able to wear sneak gears. They must have enough of another class to wear those gears. Elven cloak is L1 required so 1 of anything that gets hide would be enough.. but the helm of gods eyes is about L4 or 5 so you would really need that many levels of rogue, in your case, to wear that helm.

When my PCs wear that helm and amulet, they receive the full benefit. BTW Alertness Feat stacks.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:08 pm

Well I'll test it again when the server is back up, but so far to my knowledge my spot tops off at 59, which is far too low considering many sneaks can break 70 hide.

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:08 pm

How many actual points do you have in spot? There is a limit to the amount of magical (item or otherwise) gained skill points someone can earn. I think that number is somewhere around 50. If you don't have 23 base skill points you won't be able to get as much spot as someone who does.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:09 pm

He has 23 base points, he multied with rogue for them.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:15 am

max spot in your druid's case would be : 23+12wisdom modiffer(You have maxed it I take it?)+10(daggers)+10amulet+10helmet+4(stacking awarness feat wchicch Casas mentioned)+10 true seeing+6 rings(if a druid can wear them I'm not sure about that.)+3from the skill focus if you have taken it that makes the spot of your's 79-88(depending on if the druids can wear the rings,and if you have taken the skill focus), dunno wchich sneak you have problems to spot with that....
NOTE: Gnarr you are right, the max magical bonus to a skill is exact 50, feats,racial bonuses,ranger/druid outdoor hide bonus,bard lore bonus and ability modiffers coun't towards that cap.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:06 am

Yea, go and do the math, but play the character and you'll see it just won't let you get that.

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:04 am

Rafeal, stop going over 72 on all the math! It's driving me poopie.