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Because I'm so kind and you guys love my bards so much I'll do the math for you
A Pure str bard with 12 dex and a ton of cash:
11 base+5song(it was always defalu on lvl 16 +5 ac)+11full plate+6tower shield+5 hardies+5cloak+4haste+4tumble+2mage armor=53 ac. That's assuming you don't use the haste wchich is always risky.
But since When you hit lvl 20 you have 190k and the +5 hardies or the cloak are pretty expensive you come out with 50 ac however certanly not with 50 perform. Gees Pm Bard comes out the same.
But i don't see why this ac is too much, Pm's get higher ac, Rdd's can reach 52 ac, a charisma paladin with 30 charisma can reach 52 ac for the orginal bard song duration.
Ok I'll budget a L20 bard at 190k exactly and see what he comes to wearing 51 AC and how formidable his offense is.
After buying +3 full plate, +3 ring, +4 hardies (we'll shoot for 50 AC), haste amulet, + 3 tower shield + bard belt + bard shoes + bard gloves from 190k left you a total of 52203 GP left to spend on one more ring, a cloak, a helmet, a weapon, and another belt. That will get you L13 bardic song (you don't need 50 perform for +5 AC however) 50 AC and plenty of money to afford other gears. The +25 bard gear cost me roughly 19k so losing the 9k shoes would be beneficial to afford the +5 hardies and hit 51 AC with still a rough 30k to spend on belt, helm, weapon, cloak, and one more ring.
Raf, this is about pure bards atm.. pallies are taking nerfs too.. just recently they lost all enchanted throwing weapons and slings.
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Rafael wrote:But i don't see why this ac is too much, Pm's get higher ac, Rdd's can reach 52 ac, a charisma paladin with 30 charisma can reach 52 ac for the orginal bard song duration.
Well PM's are tanks no doubt, but there AB blows, can't compare their AC with a Bard that can hit a hell of alot better. RDD's not sure of their flaw except not everyone is an RDD, so I'm assuming they are normal.
Right now Paladins are having the highest kill/death ratio, but it isn't even close to the Bard's before. Bards were at 5:1 ratio. So they definitely were overpowered before.
You need always remember that a bard when in an even playing field is actually overpowered because they can beef their team and curse their enemies for their team like no other. Bard's should be powerful enough to hold their own weight because the song and curse make them & their team powerful.
That depends if the team or the enemys are near and in range, the song gets actaully good at lvl 11, In most cases a bard sings for himself. If it was 5:1 i kinda feel sorry for those guys lol, my bard at lvl 14 has 112 hp
2 epowered firebrands and it goes down like there was no tomorrow ;x But i still think the ac isn't that much considering conceal was nerfed, the tower shields just give bards a reason to stay pure, multiclassing is not so necesary anymore, and bard /palains ( You guys are thinking about the 16/4 and 17/3 combo right?) still got the full spectrum of nerfs and they are far easier to dispell( at least I could dispell such bards with 18 caster lvls without big problems).
Firebrand was nerf'd since bard nerf, not sure if you counted that, Rafael.
But even when they sing and curse it still effects out of range. It helps your teammate against other players regardless their level. If the bard just sings for himself, then thats his loss for not helping his team. I always make it an effort to keep my team pump'd.
I think this topics closed, even with tower shield nerf, bards still can get 49 AC at L20 on 190k budget and still be useful to the team. They don't need towers back.
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You cant have both 38 AB how? You can't have both without a ridiculous amount of gold is my point.
If you want to nerf every class pretending the build had 300 K gold to work with, then the server would be an entirely different game than NWN. We'd be playing.. chess without a king. ( Not saying Bards are kings. )
The 50% conceal was what was mostly kicking melee's buttocks.
I'm just not going to be satisfied if pure bards are affected the same as multiclassed bards. It's sickening.
That AC is pretty damn high if you ask me. Kerrie at most only gets 40 AB. Add curse and now I have 36.
I do know that my Barbarian couldn't hit a bard before and I was getting hit everytime due to sac'ing a boat load of AC to stop dying in so quick. I had to use silence amulet and 4 greater dispels to make it an even fight and that killed me anyways because the rods prevent me from attacking for a few rounds. So I do know Bards by far were extremely powerful before, at low levels they are definitely weak though.
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I budgeted it at 190k and made it so. The 50% was a big part of it, but 53 AC vs a barbarians 39 AB is only 14,19,20,20,14 to hit and 25% conceal on each of those. That's VERY tough.
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Well things have changed since I last faught one. Some perform items are gone and their concealment got nerf'd. So I'm not sure how they are now. But before all the nerf's they were embarrassingly powerful. I'm just not sure how it would be now since all the changes went through since then. Just hard to believe that just concealment and maybe a few extra items would be so much.
Pure bards can use the shields BTW to see how they do. Not sure how this got started.
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