Champion of Torm

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:30 pm

Virtually useless pre-epic.

Perhaps making their Divine Wrath last 10 + CHA modifier rounds.

Protoss119 · Post by **Protoss119** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:08 pm

CoTs get uber saves though, enough to make those PRC Red Wizards of Thay implode.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:44 pm

Uber saves? Uber saves they don't need. They only need those saves in epic.. here.. useless. Divine Grace is more than enough.

CoT recieves +7 to all saves at L10.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:17 pm

Maybe give CoT an aura as well? with divine wrath lasts 1 turn/level the aura but divine wrath is the same duration.

Divine aura save vs divine DC Cha mod + CoT level+5

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:47 pm

His wrath lasts CHA mod in rounds.. That's it.. so max of 12 rounds.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:53 pm

I'd make a CoT/Pally if I could first figure out how to make a pally with some CHA.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:25 am

lol i have made a pally/cot its gone wrong lol i was hoping it would be good agianst meeles and mages with the extra saves it gives lol

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:33 am

It ain't. It's worthless pre-epic. Epic, it's one of the most effective classes.

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:39 am

Now listen here! It aint useless its because you don't know how to use it. Its the most sacred and best class there is, and the mere mention of Torm is suppose to strike fear and courage in your heart! Lol don't use it then Casas

Post by **Rary** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:58 am

See +7 to all saves and that isn't bad.

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:08 pm

And you get the honor of serving me. It doesnt mean that few people use this class makes it useless.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:49 pm

Ok.. how many CoT builds are there on the server? Funny.. I think if I asked how many shifter builds, I'd get the same response. CoT sucks pre-epic. It's worthless, the +7 saves for **10 levels is wasteful when you could take pally and get more than those saves.

In order to be an effective CoT you have to have some CHA (since wrath is CHA mod in rounds.. so more than 20 CHA for a 30 second wrath). If you took CHA, you'd be better off as a paladin with more saves, divine might/shield/spells. CoT isn't useful pre-epic.

Do remember that there is a point when saving throws become useless.

Fort 34
Reflex 33
Will 32?
Above saving throws only fail on 1's.

Anyway, a 20 paladin with 30 CHA would have..
Fort 30 Reflex 21 Will 23 (18 CON, 12 DEX, 14 WIS)
Put a ring or two, and he's got just about maxed saves, and still has impressive offensive skills, and is hard to dispel.<<< *Note this build could take a level of BG and trump the CoTs saves by 3 and still retain his dispel difficulty.

10Pally/10 CoT

Fort 35 Ref 26 Will 28 (18 CON, 12 DEX, 14 WIS)
Only needs ref and will rings to have maxed saves.. but it is pitifully easy to dispel.. and then he dies. (He'll lose at least 6 saves on dispel) *Note you may be able to pull off a CHA pally 15/5 CoT that's decent, but above build would still be better.

Now throw epic into it.. CoT becomes a powerhouse because of the extra feats and paladin friendly feats. CoT just isn't cut out for pre-epic pvp. They don't mature L<21.

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:02 pm

Then if it is useless and you don't use it, then why bother complaining about it?

Post by **Rary** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:42 pm

I figured you'd spend your money on other rings since you don't need to buff your saves anymore.

Fort 34
Reflex 33
Will 32

All these numbers won't save everything. Close but not all.

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:08 pm

Overall CoT is a pretty crappy class pre and in epic. Only thing they're really any good for is smiter pally's and save boosting, which you really only need if you have worthless gear/facing a dev'er.

It could use an aura like the blackguard and make divine wrath at least last the same length as favor.