Shadowdancers

Post by **Rary** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:14 am

Are they worth putting back into play if HiPS is disabled?

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:51 am

yep they are i would use them

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:57 am

they aren't bad. Not great but not bad. I would wager we'd see some of them being used.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:25 pm

I think they are a bit too powerful. They get full access to rogue feats, more AC, abilities, just lack sneak dmg. We'll see what happens when they get their turn.

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:31 pm

yea we should give em a try

Protoss119 · Post by **Protoss119** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:17 pm

To be honest, I frown upon sneakers (CSers). Why give them more power than they already have? Shadow Daze makes others fodder for sneak attack and by the time it wears off, they're gone.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:40 pm

Shadow daze shouldn't be as long as it is. It should be a 5+ SD level + int modifyer save for 5 rounds max at 10 SD.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:49 am

but isnt shadow daze just like stun on a monk donkey soon as that hits its last for a pretty long time

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:29 am

You can only use shadowdaze once per day and it still lets people move. Ya it's good but really it's only single use guys it might get an SD 1 kill but that's hardly something to worry about.

Musekaze · Post by **Musekaze** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:40 pm

and shadow daze is a cast ability, not a on hit one like stunning fist. but i think they are worth using even without HiPS. give it a trial period and some testing.

Post by **Rary** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:37 pm

Once I get it to freaking work. The damn thing tells me I have too many feats and won't let me advance.

Oh well, I'm close atleast.

With HiPS removed and SD's are still powerful then Bioware screwed up the balance on classes there.

Protoss119 · Post by **Protoss119** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:00 pm

In case you haven't noticed, Shadow Daze allows for thirteen-trillion sneak attacks, especially by CSers. It's not the daze or the duration I'm worried about, it's the damage it allows for.

Post by **Rary** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:04 pm

Protoss119 wrote:In case you haven't noticed, Shadow Daze allows for thirteen-trillion sneak attacks, especially by CSers. It's not the daze or the duration I'm worried about, it's the damage it allows for.

Is this any different than a wizard doing hold person on you while a rogue sneaks you for 3 minutes?

Protoss119 · Post by **Protoss119** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:15 pm

No, but at least CSers can do it themselves and they don't have to multiclass Wizard. Simply put, sneaks with Shadow Daze spell dhoom for anyone with a low will save.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:39 pm

I dislike any coup de grace ability that is longer than 30 seconds, so if it's becomes to powering for the class, I will do my best to get it changed.