Cleric BAb & Dispel Magic

Post by **Rary** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:54 pm

Cleric BAb was nerfed years ago, probably due to the fact that gmw/fire was very powerful?

Anyways whats your suggestions about putting the clerics bab back to normal and making dispels actually dispel gmw and darkfire like they're supposed too.

Heavy_Metal-2000 · Post by **Heavy_Metal-2000** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:09 pm

I think its fair trade. Wouldnt have them running around with permanent GMW +5 daggers to slaughter mages with i geusse. And at the same time there BAB wouldn't be so horrible.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:50 pm

Their BAB was decreased I figured because of all their giant AB spells. Bless Aid Divine Favor Divine Power Battletide War/Str domains. It may be worth it to adjust some of those if BAB is raised to normal again.

Heavy_Metal-2000 · Post by **Heavy_Metal-2000** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:17 pm

are those spells all dispellable?

A95 · Post by **A95** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:19 am

Yeah, but with multiple casts of each it's pretty easy to eat a dispel or two.

Post by **Rary** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:08 am

Or would it benefit to have these dispellable anyways?

Would effect mostly the clerics and bards prolly.

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:57 pm

A cleric without BAB changes with a typical weapon can get around 44-48 MAX AB. However, 10-12 of that AB is dispellable, which would making it on terms with the average amount of AB most fighter classes get. I tested this with a realistic "max" stats, such as 8 dex, 16 wisdom for extended battletide and a heal spell. The 18 charisma version got 45 AB using a +5 dagger, while the strength orc with no charisma got 48 AB. Both had war domain, while the charisma cleric had strength domain too. This is also without using divine power (which is useless in our server).

Barbarians, with weapon focus and pendant of ares, get... around 45 AB without spells though. Just a little bit of information for you. <_<

20+
13 Strength Mod
5 Dagger
5 pendant
1 focus
+? Rage=
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Too much UNDISPELLABLE ab.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:58 pm

0bplayer wrote:I don't think it should touch any other class's weapon buffs except for cleric.

Which I think would be hard to script, so nerfing the dmg on flame/darkfire is something else I think should be done. d4+(CL) and d6+(CL) is pretty damn alot of dmg bonus.

Post by **Rary** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:21 pm

Scripting to dispel cleric only would be semi easy, but only if the wielder is a cleric.

Could always use +(CL/2) as an option too. Or max the CL to 5 or something.

Could also test the dispel on weapons now and leave darkfire alone?