Half-Elfs? Undead?

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:41 pm

10 SR is useless because any a LX caster has +X Sp.. it would only block a L9 caster on a 1 out of their d20.

Post by **Rary** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:13 pm

Undead does have alot of abilities, but they are limited to items that can be worn I believe.

Also they fail to turn undead. Heal can work on them just like harm does on normal people.

Also the problem with subraces is a drow is still considered an elf. You'd have to give benefits and dis-benefits (if thats a word).

The reason for undead is I already have them created on another mod.

But an orc, drow, goblin, troll, bandit. All good ones.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:44 pm

Undead is too much like PM.. it would make that class less useful (not like it isn't already). No to undead. What good is drow? Sunbeam will own them.. Troll ? Regen? But fire/acid penalties... bandits can pillage?

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:34 pm

Undead = no way, here's why; You could go barbarian gain 45 ab, really high hp, immunity to crits, stuns, holds and sneak attacks. Suddenly it can only be beaten by clerics and no melee has a hope.

Svirfneblin? Are you kidding me? +4 ac and small size for +5 total along with 30 SR at 20. You're talking about giving an arena one of the best player races in the game. Lets not forget +2 saves which is amazing.

Drunken · Post by **Drunken** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:15 pm

I say we add in full orcs. There were plans for that quite a while ago, I think, but they seemed to dissapear.

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:34 pm

Hm...not a bad idea, they are suitable after all for pvp

Post by **Rary** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:17 pm

Undead have a major str cap in D&D, or atleast did in 2nd edition. I think a str of 15 or 16 was max for them.

Full orcs would get more str then half-orcs now?

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:30 pm

Orcs get +4 str

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:49 pm

+4 strength -2 int and charisma?

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:54 am

and -2 wisdom if i remember correctly

Post by **Rary** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:45 am

Making orcs would also make half-orcs pointless.

Drunken · Post by **Drunken** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:02 pm

Not entirey =p. With a wisdom penalty, many paladins and cleric-fighters would choose to stick with halforc. You could also maybe add in some other penalty, such as reduced Dex, to keep half-orcs useful.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:40 pm

Maybe make half elves hobgoblins. +2 STR +2 CON -2 WIS -2 INT -2 CHA

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:39 am

How about an Outsider Race?

Musekaze · Post by **Musekaze** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:49 pm

so far, and ousider seems to be the best bet. Perhaps based on alingment?

Good-Hound Archon
Neutral-Troll (can't remember what the neutral summon for GPB is)
Evil- Vrock/Succubus

ill have to check the abilities.