Bard Tower Shield

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:42 pm

There's +25 perform in items for 19k GP. All you need is 14 CHA and those items with maxed perform on L20 level up for 50 on the dot. But you don't need maxed song for +5 AC, just L9 bard song will get you the 51 AC.

Post by **Rary** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:48 pm

Would removing shields from them and +1 AB & +1 damage added to song be better in this cituation? That way the bard will have to be a bard and not a chessy multiclass. That would top AB/damage/AC at 5 on song/curse. Maybe switch around perform gear if needed to keep items tamed on them...

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:55 pm

Completely removing shields from them? Or Just tower and large shields?

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:05 pm

No, my STR bard did 6 or 8 less damage then drunken's paladin. That's in the GMW post, he did massive damage, he doesn't need anymore.

Besides, they already have the highest AC of melee classes (next to CHA pally which is surge AC), their AB is the same as my WM. They don't need anymore buffs at the higher level.

Post by **Rary** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:10 pm

Rafael wrote:Completely removing shields from them? Or Just tower and large shields?

You decide. +1 AB, +1 damage is really 2 in both with song/curse

Bard gets higher AB, but loses the shield AC. If they lose all shields, they lose 6 AC but gain 2 AB and 2 damage. But their AC would now only 3rd highest in game.

But they would make good team helpers.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:16 pm

I smell a dual wield bard build coming on.. ~sniffs~

If they lost shields, they'd only lose 4AC, they can only use small shields atm.. which is capped at +4 AC.

AC would be 47 w/o a shield.. pretty damn high for a shieldless wonder (Plots an uber build).

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:22 pm

No they should always keep the small shields, they need that ac. and without 6 ac they'd have 44 ac at lvl 20 so nah. and 44 isn't the third highest in the game

And the ab would be about the same because using +d4 waepons would be rather pointless without the shield. Team helpers? I don't go thorugh the pain of the first lvls and make a bard to have no ac and be a team helper wchich will piss alll the mighty mages off and get sloughtered of the serwer.

Post by **Rary** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:26 pm

But I'm up for options for bards. To me the theme of a bard is a jack of all trades then helps his team with singing. Before he was a smear all trades and help your team alittle. If you take the team helper away from bards, they lose their touch on why their exist anyways. Thats why I say maybe ditch the shields and add to song/curse. If all shields are gone, even removing all anti-curse items would be good enough.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:32 pm

Nope you can't do that, It takes time for a bard to become good, and while it's a nice RP thought in PvP it would make noone play the bards. IF the tower shields for pure bards trouble you guys too much I'd rather restrict it so that bards above lvl 11 can't wear them so it would be fair for the low lvl bards, Perhaps an extra con intem for pure bards to help up their hp.But the shields even if their are only small shields should be kept.

Post by **Rary** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:36 pm

To me a bard not helping his team might as well be a paladin. Their you got the defense and power.

Helping your team might make you advance faster than trying on your own...

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Tue May 29, 2007 4:01 pm

I don't mind Helping others with the song but here is a true situation: I'm fighting a barb with my Bard, and i stand in the middle of my team and sing, the opposite players get pissed because they suddenly have troubles with my team, so they call me a noobish team unbalancer log on 4 casters and have fun raping me to death

Bards were an alternative for Paladins and melee clerics for the entire NWN, They are just different, they don't have that much offensive power as paladins do, they can't crit for over 100 dmg with a dagger they don't have 45 ab , high bab and d10 hp dice. Perhaps they had advantage because of the conceal but now it has vanished.

Post by **Rary** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:00 am

I'm just saying if you like to go melee and have defense as well as using buffs then a paladin is the same type that you're looking for.

Yes, singing will beef your team and make them at an advantage, but then they will kill the enemies faster and then help you kill the barb you're killing. People that shout those things anyways should get banned from games for being stupid.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:23 am

I'm fighting a barb with my Bard, and i stand in the middle of my team and sing, the opposite players get pissed because they suddenly have troubles with my team, so they call me a noobish team unbalancer log on 4 casters and have fun raping me to death

Ok that's one outcome. Here's another: I'm fighting a fighter with my bard, the opposite player gets pissed and calls Magneto to attract a giant meteor from space to murder all life on the planet. Moral of the story: bards suck.

-_- That's circumstantial. Because 1 barbarian had the influence to summon FOUR? different higher level mages? (Is that possible?) to all get on the SAME team and just own you, does not necessarily mean bards have problems, just that that guy is pretty petty.

The three class damage factor (pally/bard/cleric) was addressed in another post. It doesn't belong in a post about bard tower shield, sorry.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:27 am

But I don't like Pallys and Bards are different, more chalenging to build and Play

The Barb didn't summon them Casas

They got pissed because their opponents got buffed