NPC's

[AntiChristMofo]

Why are NPC wizards so retarded that they use you (the human player) as a target indicator for area damaging spells (i think thats what you call them) and the same to the enemy wizards using their own players as a target indicator

Barbs/fighters - Do they really need that much DR when they are most likely maxed out on AB and spam KD?

[Heavy_Metal-2000]

Why are NPC wizards so retarded that they use you (the human player) as a target indicator for area damaging spells (i think thats what you call them) and the same to the enemy wizards using their own players as a target indicator

Cause there brains are ran by a series of scripts that are not nearly as complex as the human brain i'm almost positive wizards just see red lol plain and simple.

In all seriousness though did you move and have an AoE spell follow you or did it just happen to land on you while stationary?

Barbs/fighters - Do they really need that much DR when they are most likely maxed out on AB and spam KD?

Technically they can afford all the gear they have i checked it out, problem is the sheer amount of them. It seems like barbs have an 80% chance to spawn where as everything else migth have 20-30%.

Maybe up how often the WM's, monks, bard's spawn and lower barbs a bit to add a little more diversity and most likely a funner experience then 3 barbs KD spamming you while you try to get that 7 pt monk over there.

[AntiChristMofo]

Cause there brains are ran by a series of scripts that are not nearly as complex as the human brain i'm almost positive wizards just see red lol plain and simple.

In all seriousness though did you move and have an AoE spell follow you or did it just happen to land on you while stationary?

I think I'm with you on that wizards just see red and go mental

Yes to both of those scenarios more then once by the wizard on my own team lol then you get the barbs on your own team battering them so you lose 2 points lol

Technically they can afford all the gear they have i checked it out

what are the DR items they use then? because they have 2 DR items and depending on how much damage you do will depend on how much DR is used i've noticed.

problem is the sheer amount of them. It seems like barbs have an 80% chance to spawn where as everything else migth have 20-30%.

i dont mind a good scrap meele on meele but it can be a pain in the donkey when your making a totally new build to what your use to plus is very weak to multple barbs lol

Maybe up how often the WM's, monks, bard's spawn and lower barbs a bit to add a little more diversity and most likely a funner experience then 3 barbs KD spamming you while you try to get that 7 pt monk over there.

lol i was playing today and there where 4 bards at one point then there were 4 wizards just tearing up the map.

[Heavy_Metal-2000]

Yes to both of those scenarios more then once by the wizard on my own team lol then you get the barbs on your own team battering them so you lose 2 points lol

I've had it happen while im in a group of enemies which makes sense since the casters target hostiles regardless of whether or not your near them but never while i was moving and had a friendly one follow me. Just me though not saying it isn't possible.

what are the DR items they use then? because they have 2 DR items and depending on how much damage you do will depend on how much DR is used i've noticed.

The L7 barbs only ever have 1 type of DR and iirc its a belt I've noticed on more than one occasion that different barbs spawn with different DR or so it seemed but the L7 ones only ever had one type. As for L9 + The availability of +1 soak 5 etc... amulets become available and so on.

i dont mind a good scrap meele on meele but it can be a pain in the donkey when your making a totally new build to what your use to plus is very weak to multple barbs lol

Yeh i feel that which is why having less barbs spawn and more of a multitude of the other classes would create more equal opportunity for those classes that struggle earlier on to get rolling.

lol i was playing today and there where 4 bards at one point then there were 4 wizards just tearing up the map.

The bards can be a pain but there not impossible like a 4 barb situation, Almost any build can handle the bards and monks that spawn even the L9 ones arent too tough. I would admit the wizards can be hard to handle when they first spawn cause they automatically throw up a fire shield and start spamming spells but a little fire DR and GV go a long way.

Personally i find the hardest situation to handle is when you got like two L9 barbs a L7 and then an 11 drops in. Sure the 9 and 11 are good xp but some builds need to die and respawn fighting them 6-10 times just to whittle them down enough to get the points and even then some might get frustrated and leave in a situation like that. Just my thoughts on it.

[AntiChristMofo]

I've had it happen while im in a group of enemies which makes sense since the casters target hostiles regardless of whether or not your near them but never while i was moving and had a friendly one follow me. Just me though not saying it isn't possible

i don't mind them doing it but not when your at near death that just seems stupid or casting that cloud on you when you've nearly defeated the enemy and then becoming blind and losing the fight.

All so i think we need to stop the meele characters from attacking the wizards on their own team as well don't get me wrong i've had an easy 9 points out of that situation a couple of times but it just doesnt have that human feel about it if you know what i mean.

The L7 barbs only ever have 1 type of DR and iirc its a belt I've noticed on more than one occasion that different barbs spawn with different DR or so it seemed but the L7 ones only ever had one type. As for L9 + The availability of +1 soak 5 etc... amulets become available and so on.

seee i think for a lvl 7 the belt is too expensive when you can use the extra cash to boost up your AB or whatever else you want to boost up

as for the amulet on lvl 9 + i use the aries amulet which gives you the extra AB on a meele build till i can afford haste

one on haste - Rary says that theres only 2 items in the game that can give you perm haste, i think i have found a third but i'm going to check that later today.

Yeh i feel that which is why having less barbs spawn and more of a multitude of the other classes would create more equal opportunity for those classes that struggle earlier on to get rolling.

maybe something we can send up the command chain to rary or TRM and see if they can do something about it???

The bards can be a pain but there not impossible like a 4 barb situation, Almost any build can handle the bards and monks that spawn even the L9 ones arent too tough. I would admit the wizards can be hard to handle when they first spawn cause they automatically throw up a fire shield and start spamming spells but a little fire DR and GV go a long way.

I couldn't agree with you more on that but wizards are only very strong for a short period of time i've noticed since they dont use extend spell and all that so it doesnt bother me as much.

Personally i find the hardest situation to handle is when you got like two L9 barbs a L7 and then an 11 drops in. Sure the 9 and 11 are good xp but some builds need to die and respawn fighting them 6-10 times just to whittle them down enough to get the points and even then some might get frustrated and leave in a situation like that. Just my thoughts on it.

i came across this situation more then once and with a powerful lowbie i've manged to put the lvl 11 on near death before he could kill me and when i went back to finsih him of the second time either some else has taken the kill or his rage wore of and died which really pisses me of lol but thats just part of the game i guess it happened when human players played so i dont see why it cant happen now lol thats just the way i see it.

[Heavy_Metal-2000]

i don't mind them doing it but not when your at near death that just seems stupid or casting that cloud on you when you've nearly defeated the enemy and then becoming blind and losing the fight.

Yeh i hate that too but i dont know if its really possible to fix this and allow them to keep there spells. Would either have to change up there spellbook or set up some sort of proximity casting in which case they'd prolly never cast half there spells cause the bots almost always aim for you first.

All so i think we need to stop the meele characters from attacking the wizards on their own team as well don't get me wrong i've had an easy 9 points out of that situation a couple of times but it just doesnt have that human feel about it if you know what i mean.

Would be nice for sure although it would require more scripting and even then im not sure of all the possible options to make this happen. You attack someone passive in nwn they become hostile lol unless they got a brain and you typed /p sry dude my bad!!

seee i think for a lvl 7 the belt is too expensive when you can use the extra cash to boost up your AB or whatever else you want to boost up

For a barb that already has like 16-18 AB sometimes that extra +1 AB doesnt really put you over the edge the way -/5 DR does. The DR is survival the AB for the most part is unneeded.

as for the amulet on lvl 9 + i use the aries amulet which gives you the extra AB on a meele build till i can afford haste one

I personally prefer ares amulets on any melee that can use them over anything also. But if switching it up to DR ammy's will allow me to either survive longer or kill more that's what im gonna do.

on haste - Rary says that theres only 2 items in the game that can give you perm haste, i think i have found a third but i'm going to check that later today.

Only 2 items that give you permanent unhindered haste with no class specifications. Theres the boots of chivalry or w/e there called but there for pure fighters only and also the cursed belt which is -AC. other than that i know of the amultet and the Chainmail of Speed that can be used.

maybe something we can send up the command chain to rary or TRM and see if they can do something about it???

TRM's not a DM he's on the same spot on the command chain that I'm on and so far rary has been unresponsive for the most part.

i came across this situation more then once and with a powerful lowbie i've manged to put the lvl 11 on near death before he could kill me and when i went back to finsih him of the second time either some else has taken the kill or his rage wore of and died which really pisses me of lol but thats just part of the game i guess it happened when human players played so i dont see why it cant happen now lol thats just the way i see it.

I get that kill stealing occured for sure and also the whole rage death and or someone killed the high lvl while you were in base buffing or trying to get back out there thats normal and yeh it happened tons even with human players and although frustrating you went back out there and tried again. The thing thats turning ppl away from the bots on the server whether we like it or not is the sheer amount of barbarian KD spam that goes on rofl. I would never ask to make it so easy anyone can lvl anything in a few hours to 15+ but more of the other types of spawns and less barbs to keep things mixed up will retain more players when they realize they no longer need to build a select few things to actually compete. At least whats left of the players who still drop in.

I'm on regularly and my cousin drops in to play whenever i go on and occassionaly without me. I see anti here and there and a few other no namers i never really seen b4.

[AntiChristMofo]

cause the bots almost always aim for you first.

yer why is it they always aim for the human player first even if they are fighting with someone who is on near death they will just start attacking you!

Would be nice for sure although it would require more scripting and even then im not sure of all the possible options to make this happen. You attack someone passive in nwn they become hostile lol unless they got a brain and you typed /p sry dude my bad!!

i know where your coming from but if a human player casted a area damaging spell and it hit another human player you'd still have to right click on them the attack them that's what it should be like with NPC's then it wouldnt happen and yer i understand about the scripting but without doing any scripting we wouldnt of gotten' this far.

For a barb that already has like 16-18 AB sometimes that extra +1 AB doesnt really put you over the edge the way -/5 DR does. The DR is survival the AB for the most part is unneeded.

true but it doesnt have to be the extra AB it could all so be AC or DEX depending on the build. i just think it's too expensive for a lvl 7.

I personally prefer ares amulets on any melee that can use them over anything also. But if switching it up to DR ammy's will allow me to either survive longer or kill more that's what im gonna do.

i think we will just have to agree to disagree with this one lol we just have two different method on how to make builds which work for the both of us.

Only 2 items that give you permanent unhindered haste with no class specifications. Theres the boots of chivalry or w/e there called but there for pure fighters only and also the cursed belt which is -AC. other than that i know of the amultet and the Chainmail of Speed that can be used.

yer you are right i was just skimming through the items to try and get to grips with all the equipment again i can see a lot of changes have been made to the equipment as well.

TRM's not a DM he's on the same spot on the command chain that I'm on and so far rary has been unresponsive for the most part.

ok then fair enough then we will just have to try and sort this out with Rary then and see if he can give you your DM back.

The thing thats turning ppl away from the bots on the server whether we like it or not is the sheer amount of barbarian KD spam that goes on rofl. I would never ask to make it so easy anyone can lvl anything in a few hours to 15+ but more of the other types of spawns and less barbs to keep things mixed up will retain more players when they realize they no longer need to build a select few things to actually compete. At least whats left of the players who still drop in.

well the only way we are going to find out is if we give it a go and another thing on human players how will the server recruit people to play now since the master server is down because the only well people can get to the server the way i understand it is if you have the IP or have the server saved in fav.

and a few other no namers i never really seen b4.

aren't they the ones that rary makes up to keep this server active?

[Rary]

NPC's are human. They cast the spell at the enemy.

All the NPC's use the same items all players have available to them. All the NPC's use the same xp/gold ratio when it comes to items. In fact all I did was find a real player and clone them. There are DR whores & AB sluts when it comes to the Barbs. Certain classes will get certain spawned NPC's. Barbs have the best chance of spawning, but if you're a mage, then other mages and monks have a better chance.

The NPC's aren't smart and getting them to not attack their teammate is hard to fix and it happens alot

[AntiChristMofo]

i can see where your coming from rary but i think me and casas broke it down to people only making certain builds otherwise the build would be too weak for the server as the standard has already been set.