Breeches

A95 · Post by **A95** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:08 pm

They are not lowering SR anymore, they are 100% dispelling it.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:16 am

The lowering part was meant for natural sr such as monk have, the spell always could be breached.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:35 am

Nothing lowers natural SR.

Breaches lower SR from the spell SR. They shouldn't completely destroy it.

Post by **Rary** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:45 am

The main spell script which breech uses was set to default on the updated version. Breach was never changed other than to default so I'll check new version to old version and make sure its fine since I didn't know it was a custom scripted spell anyways.

By default spell breach is supposed to dispel spell resistance and lower SR by items or natural only. So I wanted to make sure that before it lowered SR by spells and not dispel them.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:49 pm

It gives mages a totally new edge though.

Since they have items that give them spell penetration and mantles (which they can spam alot easier than clerics spamming SR because mantle can't be breached easily)

Really, a level 20 mage can just keep spamming lesser breach untill the enemies SR breaks and if they recast it (usually only stock 2 or 3) they have way more breaches left over.

I was on slave and a 1 pt mage kept spamming lesser breach untill my SR was gone, I recast it, but he kept spamming breach.

That is a bit unbalanced to me. Also I felt that it was fine the way it was before because mages that get spell penetration or use something that gives it to them have a better chance to break SR. But now the feat spell penetration is useless for mages.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:54 pm

*cough* useless? and MOnks and that freaking Jack and Jilll? :>

Post by **Rary** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:02 pm

Trust me, it wasn't an intentional change. I have to see what the old script did and implement that into the new one for both breaches. I do agree it does give mages an upper-edge.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:49 pm

Like it would matter at all heh a good mage can take out any char class build or whatever pokemon you throw after him

A95 · Post by **A95** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:56 pm

Exactly, but now the horrible mages are spamming breaches so they can have an upper hand.

Post by **Rary** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:34 pm

Here is what by default breech dispels:

if(nLastChecked == 1) {return SPELL_GREATER_SPELL_MANTLE;}
else if (nLastChecked == 2){return SPELL_PREMONITION;}
else if(nLastChecked == 3) {return SPELL_SPELL_MANTLE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 4) {return SPELL_SHADOW_SHIELD;}
else if(nLastChecked == 5) {return SPELL_GREATER_STONESKIN;}
else if(nLastChecked == 6) {return SPELL_ETHEREAL_VISAGE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 7) {return SPELL_GLOBE_OF_INVULNERABILITY;}
else if(nLastChecked ==

{return SPELL_ENERGY_BUFFER;}
else if(nLastChecked == 9) {return 443;} // greater sanctuary
else if(nLastChecked == 10) {return SPELL_MINOR_GLOBE_OF_INVULNERABILITY;}
//else if(nLastChecked == 11) {return SPELL_SPELL_RESISTANCE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 11) {return SPELL_STONESKIN;}
else if(nLastChecked == 12) {return SPELL_LESSER_SPELL_MANTLE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 13) {return SPELL_MESTILS_ACID_SHEATH;}
else if(nLastChecked == 14) {return SPELL_MIND_BLANK;}
else if(nLastChecked == 15) {return SPELL_ELEMENTAL_SHIELD;}
else if(nLastChecked == 16) {return SPELL_PROTECTION_FROM_SPELLS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 17) {return SPELL_PROTECTION_FROM_ELEMENTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 18) {return SPELL_RESIST_ELEMENTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 19) {return SPELL_DEATH_ARMOR;}
else if(nLastChecked == 20) {return SPELL_GHOSTLY_VISAGE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 21) {return SPELL_ENDURE_ELEMENTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 22) {return SPELL_SHADOW_SHIELD;}
else if(nLastChecked == 23) {return SPELL_SHADOW_CONJURATION_MAGE_ARMOR;}
else if(nLastChecked == 24) {return SPELL_NEGATIVE_ENERGY_PROTECTION;}
else if(nLastChecked == 25) {return SPELL_SANCTUARY;}
else if(nLastChecked == 26) {return SPELL_MAGE_ARMOR;}
else if(nLastChecked == 27) {return SPELL_STONE_BONES;}
else if(nLastChecked == 28) {return SPELL_SHIELD;}
else if(nLastChecked == 29) {return SPELL_SHIELD_OF_FAITH;}
else if(nLastChecked == 30) {return SPELL_LESSER_MIND_BLANK;}
else if(nLastChecked == 31) {return SPELL_IRONGUTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 32) {return SPELL_RESISTANCE;}

So as you can see mages were meant to be overpowered.

Big difference from the old one:

if(nLastChecked == 1) {return SPELL_GREATER_SPELL_MANTLE;}
else if (nLastChecked == 2){return SPELL_PREMONITION;}
else if(nLastChecked == 3) {return SPELL_SPELL_MANTLE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 4) {return SPELL_SHADOW_SHIELD;}
else if(nLastChecked == 5) {return SPELL_GREATER_STONESKIN;}
else if(nLastChecked == 6) {return SPELL_ETHEREAL_VISAGE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 7) {return SPELL_GLOBE_OF_INVULNERABILITY;}
else if(nLastChecked ==

{return SPELL_ENERGY_BUFFER;}
else if(nLastChecked == 9) {return SPELL_MINOR_GLOBE_OF_INVULNERABILITY;}
else if(nLastChecked == 10) {return SPELL_STONESKIN;}
else if(nLastChecked == 11) {return SPELL_LESSER_SPELL_MANTLE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 12) {return SPELL_ELEMENTAL_SHIELD;}
else if(nLastChecked == 13) {return SPELL_PROTECTION_FROM_ELEMENTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 14) {return SPELL_RESIST_ELEMENTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 15) {return SPELL_GHOSTLY_VISAGE;}
else if(nLastChecked == 16) {return SPELL_ENDURE_ELEMENTS;}
else if(nLastChecked == 17) {return SPELL_MAGE_ARMOR;}

But spell resistance is removed now.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:51 pm

now please explain all that agian in english...

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:19 pm

Means it'll strip what it's supposed to strip.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:14 am

please keep you clothes on

Post by **Rary** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:47 pm

Just tells you how outdated the old spell was.