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I thought the DC's on these were altered already, but here we go. It's hard to even get a touch attack on an enemy with a PM, because their BAB is HORRID. You pretty much have to TS to even get the DC 17 thing to roll... and no one fails that.
My suggestion is make the DC for their touch attacks
10 + INT Mod + 3 DC / 2 PM levels. Most level 10 PM builds won't reach 20 INT, and if they do, not too much higher, so the DC will max around 30 when it rolls. PM's are already powerful, but DC 17 is.. weaksauce. The duration on their freezing touch thing has already been shortened, so that's not a problem.
i suggest the paralyze one to be 10 +int bonus+ PM level
i suggest the death one to be 15 +int bonus+ PM level
i say this becuase the detah one is a higher lvl skill then the other one.
That's a potential 37 dc death spell 3 times a day. Although nobodies going to have that but average would probably be around 31-33. That's pretty hefty for a class that gains as much as it does.
yea but with the PM uber sucky ab. even with true strike doesnt garentee a hit. also no one is going to get that high dc because why would a pm put that much in int unless they are going 10wiz 10 pm. most pms are cross classed with non mage classes suck as Rdd so the chances of seeing that dc is very slim and even if they had it they still have to hit throught ac with mage/pm ab witch is uber sucky even with true strike
you can get finger of death higher than 30 cant you so whats the problem. finger of death is not even a touch attack. and you dont have to be lvl 10 of a prestige class to get it.
then how bout this. take away the touch part. make it like finger but leave the dc the same. because makeing it hart to hit with then makeing it easy to save agents is just insane.
You're forgetting all the other bonuses of being a PM when you're making your comparison. PM's are nearly unhittable. Wizards/Sorc's aren't. PM's are immune to crits/sneaks, wizards/sorc's aren't.
The ability needs to be weaker then a casters because of the OTHER things it gains.
your only comparing what PMs have and wiz/sor dont have. how about they get more spell and there spell level counts for higher DCs. you cant even compare a pure wiz to a pm you have to really try hard to make a decent pm build while i see dumb wizards doing just fine.
You're suggetions for SD and PM, the way YOU want it, are ridiculous. From what I'm reading, I don't think you would understand how crazy it would be if the things you're suggesting were implemented.
