Yea.. so marcy has a 30 second timestop or so.. about 38 SR and insta cast with unlimited spells it seems.. only way I've seen to beat him is attack boosters on WMs with x4~x5 crits to break his heal concentrations.
Mages can't really help since his SR is so high, and spells are full pvp.
Clerics can heal, but so does he.
His AC is pretty high.. even though dragons having AC never makes sense.. how do you miss a leg the size of a volkswagen?
And he spawns on hard, so insane is just who knows. A marcy with more HP and spells, assuming he had a limit.. or god forbid, two marcys.
Marcy insane?
Marcy insane?
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He is made for multiple players, he was never meant for solo.
Any level 20 should be able to hit him, because his AC isn't that high.
If you plan on solo'ing him, then yes, he will be hard to kill. He hasn't changed since you guys were killing him before.
My rogue dies after he heals once and my barb kills him. I'm betting if someone was with me then he could die with my rogue, since I only get sneaks when he wing buffet's.
If you want an easier dragon, don't pull hard lever, take normal. Hard lever is for you to take on a challenging dragon, not one that you can beat 100% of the time.
But to answer your question, yes he's hard. Impossible for most solo's with less then 500k cash. Easy with 4 20's. Very easy with 5 20's, not too bad with 3 20's. Pretty tough with 2 20's.
Any level 20 should be able to hit him, because his AC isn't that high.
If you plan on solo'ing him, then yes, he will be hard to kill. He hasn't changed since you guys were killing him before.
My rogue dies after he heals once and my barb kills him. I'm betting if someone was with me then he could die with my rogue, since I only get sneaks when he wing buffet's.
If you want an easier dragon, don't pull hard lever, take normal. Hard lever is for you to take on a challenging dragon, not one that you can beat 100% of the time.
But to answer your question, yes he's hard. Impossible for most solo's with less then 500k cash. Easy with 4 20's. Very easy with 5 20's, not too bad with 3 20's. Pretty tough with 2 20's.
You're pally would be squashed. He'd dispel you with mordenkain, and flame breath 100+ of your HPs then just use a wing buffet at 50 DC, and each of his hits do 35~40 dmg.
Power word kill right at <90 HP.
Your WM does 23 + 3d6 dmg x3 on a crit. << That's fully buffed. He will never let you keep buffs. That's 26~41 x3, where's your 150 come in w/o smite? The little sonic dmg spell?
Nono, multiple players is what I'm talking about. Partys can't win unless they get extremely********** lucky.. or use boosters like I did.
Mages can't do much of anything because of the SR, and pvp rules. (Mine did greater breach and has GSP That's d20+29 and he was failing rolls like crazy gloo on ice)
Best party I've seen is cleric/druid, mage (to keep marcys attention.. they don't do anything else but fodder), and a high crit WM.. and even that doesn't win.
Five 20's would spawn how many marcys and at what L?
Keep in mind this is the hard lever.
Other than spamming implode on him till he rolls a 1.. but that's extremely corny. Did I mention his saves are impeccable?
Didn't address his AC? How's his AC so high?
Power word kill right at <90 HP.
Your WM does 23 + 3d6 dmg x3 on a crit. << That's fully buffed. He will never let you keep buffs. That's 26~41 x3, where's your 150 come in w/o smite? The little sonic dmg spell?
Nono, multiple players is what I'm talking about. Partys can't win unless they get extremely********** lucky.. or use boosters like I did.
Mages can't do much of anything because of the SR, and pvp rules. (Mine did greater breach and has GSP That's d20+29 and he was failing rolls like crazy gloo on ice)
Best party I've seen is cleric/druid, mage (to keep marcys attention.. they don't do anything else but fodder), and a high crit WM.. and even that doesn't win.
Five 20's would spawn how many marcys and at what L?
Keep in mind this is the hard lever.
Other than spamming implode on him till he rolls a 1.. but that's extremely corny. Did I mention his saves are impeccable?
Didn't address his AC? How's his AC so high?
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Saves are high because of his level. His SR is 32, same as any dragon at level 25 or higher.
I do need to fix the pvp issue in there however.
And 5 20's at hard would calculate an 80th level dragon spawn. Prolly a Marcelus and Red Dragon. But if you pick hard, expect hard. The hard lever makes you twice your level.
I do need to fix the pvp issue in there however.
And 5 20's at hard would calculate an 80th level dragon spawn. Prolly a Marcelus and Red Dragon. But if you pick hard, expect hard. The hard lever makes you twice your level.
His SR is 32 for all Ls of marcy? How does someone with +29 SP miss 5 outa 6 spells? Is his SR natural like monks? If that's the case, I don't believe breach works on that.
Yes, only imagine insane, as impossible.. therefore a nicknack because no one will pull it.
How's wing buffet do damage? It's the same thing as Gust of Wind, only doesn't remove AoE duration spells. It forces all melees to take rock ammy, and lose real haste, they have to take damage from it too is just harsh.
Dragon AC is still absurd. They are huge how do you miss barn yards?
As for class effectiveness. I don't believe it's possible for any class to solo on hard, without a great deal of luck behind them. Such as one dragon at a time.
RDDs down right stink, their AB isn't enough to hit the dragons enough.
DR barbs, can soak the damage pretty well, but will be kded in a pinch.
Casters, have the SR problem and are spammed dispel.
Pallies, are great if they can crank out enough dmg before the dragon goes melee.
WM, tend to be the best solo against them.
PMs, what good?
Sneaks, won't scratch the paint alone.
AA's - can hit sorta, but still the conceal.
DDs - same as DR barbs
L40 dragon problems: Their breath has no evasion save? Yet it's reflex for half, the DC that puppy is at should have something to save.
Yes, only imagine insane, as impossible.. therefore a nicknack because no one will pull it.
How's wing buffet do damage? It's the same thing as Gust of Wind, only doesn't remove AoE duration spells. It forces all melees to take rock ammy, and lose real haste, they have to take damage from it too is just harsh.
Dragon AC is still absurd. They are huge how do you miss barn yards?
As for class effectiveness. I don't believe it's possible for any class to solo on hard, without a great deal of luck behind them. Such as one dragon at a time.
RDDs down right stink, their AB isn't enough to hit the dragons enough.
DR barbs, can soak the damage pretty well, but will be kded in a pinch.
Casters, have the SR problem and are spammed dispel.
Pallies, are great if they can crank out enough dmg before the dragon goes melee.
WM, tend to be the best solo against them.
PMs, what good?
Sneaks, won't scratch the paint alone.
AA's - can hit sorta, but still the conceal.
DDs - same as DR barbs
L40 dragon problems: Their breath has no evasion save? Yet it's reflex for half, the DC that puppy is at should have something to save.
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There's only 1 level of him. 50Casas wrote:His SR is 32 for all Ls of marcy? How does someone with +29 SP miss 5 outa 6 spells? Is his SR natural like monks? If that's the case, I don't believe breach works on that.
Yes, only imagine insane, as impossible.. therefore a nicknack because no one will pull it.
How's wing buffet do damage? It's the same thing as Gust of Wind, only doesn't remove AoE duration spells. It forces all melees to take rock ammy, and lose real haste, they have to take damage from it too is just harsh.
Dragon AC is still absurd. They are huge how do you miss barn yards?
And yes his SR is natural so you can't breach it, however there are spells lower SR temporarily, so it should work on that.
Wing buffet is save reflex or get knocked down. Save is dragons level and the damage isn't much.
I'll check his AC, but last I checked its pretty low as is. Its not that there huge and easy to hit anyways, its that you need to get a shot on him, imagine hitting something that has arms that stretch meters out and a tail constantly flicking around.
He doesn't buffet much when I play him.
To lower SR is to breach, which won't work on natural.
That damage is 40+ on buffet. He buffets once a turn for parties.
AC on prismatic dragon is pretty tough too. My pally has 39 AB and has a tough time hitting him. Well, looking at my rolls, I missed on a 52, hit on a 56. That's tough to miss for something the size of a basketball court.
That damage is 40+ on buffet. He buffets once a turn for parties.
AC on prismatic dragon is pretty tough too. My pally has 39 AB and has a tough time hitting him. Well, looking at my rolls, I missed on a 52, hit on a 56. That's tough to miss for something the size of a basketball court.
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Dur, I said that. I did also say that WM and paladins have the greatest chance of defeating him, but yours would not do so alone, again. After he TS for 30~40 seconds, mordenkained your buffs away, you're left with 36 AB at 3d6 + 21 dmg for 1.5 minutes? That puts my WM at a better chance than yours, with 25% crit range for x5 crits with 402 HP. And mine doesn't make it past the second heal, let alone the xth heal.
My cleric also solo-ed him during testing. He's tougher now.
My cleric also solo-ed him during testing. He's tougher now.
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You keep increasing his TS time. Its only 12-30 seconds.Casas wrote:Dur, I said that. I did also say that WM and paladins have the greatest chance of defeating him, but yours would not do so alone, again. After he TS for 30~40 seconds,
Prismatic dragon is default. He's not modified. My barb and rogue killed him. Barb doesn't die to him, maybe thats the extra cash. Rogue kills him on a 2:1 ratio.
Yes dragons will be hard. Any level 40 or 50 will dominate you at level 20. Try and take your level 20 against a level 40 player and see how you do. Prolly not gonna win much. The advantage you have is you're smarter than them. But again hard is going to be hard. The more people you have the easier the hard lever produces BTW. Solo is the worse off on spawning dragons.
Insane lever does fine for people that wanna try.
Also your not trying to hit a statue the size of a basketball court. You're trying to hit something the size of a basketball court that has arms and tail and bites you when you try. One that moves, he's not just dead wegiht.
Also, Marcelus isn't meant for solo. If you do succeed going solo, then consider yourself lucky. Only changes since testing on him was TS actually works and harm doesn't basically kill him.
No, you told me players had a 20 second maxed TS, and marcy had a near 30 second one. I have the PM to prove it.
Barb rogue killed him how? His AC is 52~56 and he does about the same damage as marcy with physical. I was on all my L20s when I gave you this data.
It may not be dead weight, but I can throw a baseball and hit a T-rex.
HA20 seconds for players if you do everything right.
30 seconds if dragons casts it. (Bioware default)
Barb rogue killed him how? His AC is 52~56 and he does about the same damage as marcy with physical. I was on all my L20s when I gave you this data.
It may not be dead weight, but I can throw a baseball and hit a T-rex.
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Ok, should I say players cap at 20 and dragons cap at 30. Since its random, there is no set number. HA, I was close enough.Casas wrote:No, you told me players had a 20 second maxed TS, and marcy had a near 30 second one. I have the PM to prove it.
HA20 seconds for players if you do everything right.
30 seconds if dragons casts it. (Bioware default)
Barb rogue killed him how? His AC is 52~56 and he does about the same damage as marcy with physical. I was on all my L20s when I gave you this data.
It may not be dead weight, but I can throw a baseball and hit a T-rex.
Well my barb killed him last night actually.
My rogue killed him because he kept wanting to cast, so I got a bunch of sneaks in. Plus my rogue passes all wing buffet's so I get atleast 2-3 sneaks in everytime with that.