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i dont know how much sentinals give.
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you have the sling and the scythe aswell which no one seems to know about but me lol because reaper uses it somtimes :D
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you cant weild 2 slings or two scythes. thats why sentinals works better.
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yer i know that but some people dont have enough money to do that
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You guys are only proving the point of items giving too much power.

Ranks will hopefully determine who sees who. Very little will be added by items if any at all.
I still want even somone going spot to not find them everytime, but more like 30% - 40% of the time. Like I said before, a spotted rogue is dead and useless.
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but rouges and rangers that are done right no one can spot or listen its just newbies or WM/rouges and why would anyone use those weapons anyway unless your a sneak trying to listn or spot another sneak because they dont do that much damage thats why the sneak attack comes into it
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rouges adn rangers get spot and liten anyway.

but atleas this is getting revamped.
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Well, sin garbs got removed now :(
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A95 wrote:Well, sin garbs got removed now :(
Ya, they started the whole issue.
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yeah, but i used rge links kuz my sneaks were rgr based.
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Whats a good max of boost by all items total?

I think +10 should be suffice enough.
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Post by Casas »

Uhm.. 10? There's a d20 in effect for all players.

Rary, I'm telling you, the skills were fine before the sin garbs and rogue shields.. just remove them, and look at all the equip and add -3 or 4 Ms to ranged weapons.
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Sin garbs are gone already. I just think people get way too much from just items.
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Post by Casas »

Most classes detect cs through listen. Hide for sneaks isn't too high either, they'd have to have melee weapons or rogue shields (which are very powerful in their self) to get a decent rank. And that's why there's trueseeing at +10 spot and two weapons that give +5 spot.. be nice if there were more weapons that gave +spot or +listen so classes wouldn't have to abdicate their weapons of choice to find sneaks. +5 is a good cap, for dual wield.

I do remember sending you a PM a while back about rogue shields used in conjunction with throwing weapons or slings. Have you removed that +10 sling of spot/listen? That's quite a load for ranged cs to hold onto.
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Throwing weapons don't work with rogue shields. I'm not sure if that sling is still there or not.
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