Casas, you keep mentioning that dragons should have low AC because of their huge size. This is not true because in D&D, AC represents how difficult it is to land a damaging blow on a target, not merely how difficult it is to hit that target.
Wearing plate mail increases your AC why? It does not make you harder to simply hit; quite the opposite in fact. Dodging is going to be harder wearing heavy armor. However, the armor can deflect blows, stop arrows, or absorb most of the force of the blow. In D&D, a blow that connects but does no real damage (is deflected by armor, penetrates armor but causes only a minor scratch, etc.) is counted as a miss. Merely making contact with something is a touch attack, which we all know ignores most types of armor. You don't make touch attacks with your sword.
You're missing Marcy not because he's particularly agile (most dragons have 10 dex) but because you can't penetrate his incredibly armored hide. For the same reason, iron golems have an AC in excess of 30. Prismatic dragons also have a considerable deflection AC bonus as an innate ability, giving them often ridiculous AC values.
Back on topic, with a group of three 20's I've been able to get Marcy down to badly wounded, but there was always at least one mage (me) and never more than two melees, so it was not an ideal group. He seems extremely hard, but certainly not impossble. I do feel, however, that mages need to be able to do more against him, because right now, they're pretty useless.
Marcy insane?
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Leave it to drunk to bring in D&D logic.. however, had you been following the AC discussions, Rary said he doesn't like players with 50+ ACs.. why should the dragons have it.
Drunk, do you know how many heals Marcy has?
Oak, currently wing buffet doesn't remove AOEs.. it probably will soon.
If you want a dragon that's only hittable by the average AB on a 16~20 (if his AC were 53), that's fine.. just think it's a bit too powering.
Note: above AC is prism dragons AC.. I have no clue what marcys is.
When servers make their dragons have ridiculously high ACs, everyone just makes a DR tank, and has a cleric spam implode till it rolls a 1.. how fun.
Drunk, do you know how many heals Marcy has?
Oak, currently wing buffet doesn't remove AOEs.. it probably will soon.
If you want a dragon that's only hittable by the average AB on a 16~20 (if his AC were 53), that's fine.. just think it's a bit too powering.
Note: above AC is prism dragons AC.. I have no clue what marcys is.
When servers make their dragons have ridiculously high ACs, everyone just makes a DR tank, and has a cleric spam implode till it rolls a 1.. how fun.
For such a lonely soul, you're having such a nice time.
I was trying out Marcy last night with a few of my 20's...unfortunately every build I had that was a semi-decent dragon killer got deleted in the last vault clean up so I knew I wasn't going to win but Marcy definately got harder. I believe he got harder to hit and has gained that fancy Timestop spell which really hurts you badly as an extra 80ish damage before you can even start swinging really makes him crazy hard.
Didn't you make it so that everyone who entered the dragon arena got Xp on the kill of the dragon? Even if they died?
Ancient black dragons circle stun is too long. Fail it, and there's a better chance of living through marcys timestop when he goes into melee mode.
Well, if you die.. you don't get any of the XP.
Also to remind you of the party pvp problems with spells.
Ancient black dragons circle stun is too long. Fail it, and there's a better chance of living through marcys timestop when he goes into melee mode.
Well, if you die.. you don't get any of the XP.
Also to remind you of the party pvp problems with spells.
For such a lonely soul, you're having such a nice time.
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If you die, you don't get xp. Only people that are alive get xp. The xp is not split between players so everyone gets full amount regardless of how many you are in there.Casas wrote:Didn't you make it so that everyone who entered the dragon arena got Xp on the kill of the dragon? Even if they died?
Ancient black dragons circle stun is too long. Fail it, and there's a better chance of living through marcys timestop when he goes into melee mode.
Well, if you die.. you don't get any of the XP.
Also to remind you of the party pvp problems with spells.
If I fix the party pvp problems, then the dragons won't hurt themselves as well so you see them throwing all kinds of spells at you since they know they can't get hit anymore. Also if your the lucky ones to get 2 of them, same instance, they'll just toss horrids. Right now they cast no area spells if you're near him because they know it will damage themselves.
Unless you're talking about where curse song effects some of your team members in there because they're considered the opposite team? Then you can avoid what I just said.
Everything a dragon has raises his CR, the more CR to the more xp. Also if you can save his stun, he's a very easy dragon, thats all he really has for that level atleast.Casas wrote:Ancient black dragons circle stun is too long. Fail it, and there's a better chance of living through marcys timestop when he goes into melee mode.
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The main reason I took it out was a script issue where they got credit for dragons they never attempted.Casas wrote:So what happens to the people that do all the work (the tanks and such) that get killed? And someone else just sweeps up the kill after they die? That's bogus. -_-
Right now? the tank gets screwed but I'll fix that here.