Hide / Move Silently / Spot / Listen

Musekaze · Post by **Musekaze** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:03 pm

wow, i was right for once. and take into account that most sneaks use haste, so bring the MS down to 53. But the main point i was trying to make is that hide can get 20, or 30 points higher than MS. if they were evened out mroe, then spotting classes actually have a chance. right now the only way to find anything is with listen, unless your pure ranger. and pure ranger vs pure ranger would be an interesting fight, but just plain whack. also with sp/ls redon, this can be re-balanced.

im jsut suprised i got all that math right

Terpeh · Post by **Terpeh** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:50 pm

wow Muse put his mind to work....for once

Lol kidding

A95 · Post by **A95** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:51 pm

Well, some sneaks can get over 70 ms and hide.

This will actually help swiss though so

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Casas · Post by **Casas** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:42 pm

Well, you're number are a bit off. Nonetheless, my ranger has 83 spot. And only a ranger could have that kinda hide.. rogues would have about 60?

Musekaze · Post by **Musekaze** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:28 pm

thats exactly why i said pure ranger. but i thguht A95 said great sneak had like 80 or something hide.

and it helps crescent reaper. he so easily spotted, liek 32 MS.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:53 pm

ooook :s im kinda confused now i thought we had this discussion on the mage AC decrease thread i think it was and rary said somthing that made me think hide and M/S SHOULDNT! be lowered

sorry casas my mistake lol

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:53 pm

Saying you have x amount of points, doesn't mean you have x amount of points.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:10 pm

rary didnt you say i quote

''All sneaks should have a slight chance of being found by every class.''

and they do but if a meele doesnt take spot or listen thats not everyone else's fualt my dark king has taken pionts in spot and listen and hes a pure meele and a changing to a few items yer is decreases AC but not by much he can spot/listen most sneaks infact at lvl 20 some sneaks in my range didnt even dare attack my char because they knew i would rape them and my char isnt even an anti sneak char

infact im going to make an anti sneak char and see what happens

Post by **Rary** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:22 pm

Yes I did say that. But if someone doesn't take spot or listen, then they won't find the sneak.

Right there is entirely too many items give those skill boosts. There are enough items that my barb could hide and sneak from most lvl 10's.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:22 pm

I don't think the skills are skewed.. we spent quite a bit of time fixing them.. But that was before the godly rogue shields.. those are tough.

AntiChristMofo · Post by **AntiChristMofo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:58 pm

well isnt that the idea? its give every class a fighting chance to kill other classes?

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:39 am

I think rogues should be able to kill off a few classes, w/o trouble.

I do like paper-rock-scissors balance.. especially in D&D.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:56 pm

How about make it impossible to find sneaks if you don't take any spot or listen or have low wisdom.

Right now any melee that took no spot or listen has a decent chance of finding some sneakers. That is completely wrong.

Musekaze · Post by **Musekaze** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:23 pm

the hgihest spot/listen you can possibly get w/o takin any ranks is:

spot-+10 helm, +10 ammy, +10 true seeing, +3 rings x2. thats only 36. which is still rpetty high.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:07 pm

You can get more with weapons and other stuff which is unfair.