PM Touch Attack

Musekaze · Post by **Musekaze** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:34 am

you shouldn't be making these suggestions without playing the class. thats how you determine if somethign is over/underpowered. not by making assumptions.

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:21 pm

That's not necessarily true. You don't have to play every class to have an idea how to modify them.

However you're just not doing the math Dan. Lets say we impliment your DC of 15 on the death attack + PM level + int. Now lets pretend I make a PM with a 3 levels of wizard (required) and 10 pm with 14 int. Now since I'm PM I have plenty of spell slots and level 2 spells. Now lets add the int buff, we'll go with +4. Then armor (if it's a dex based PM they don't lose anything taking the +2 int armor) that's +6 now. Furthermore if you have 5k to spend that's +8 from the helm. Then since PM levels count towards wizard for useable items you could have on at least the +2 int rings. That's +12. In doing this you'll lost some saves, and 1 ab from the helm.

Now with 14 base + 12 = 26 = 8 modifier. That's 15+10+8 = 33 with 14 base int. For a melee to have an instant death ability of this power is insane. 3 times a day and with truestrike for around 45ish ab you'll touch attack -anything-. I'd say that's -damn- powerful.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:03 pm

Touch doesn't work with weapon finesse.

Post by **Rary** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:25 pm

Xianio wrote:You're forgetting all the other bonuses of being a PM when you're making your comparison. PM's are nearly unhittable. Wizards/Sorc's aren't. PM's are immune to crits/sneaks, wizards/sorc's aren't.

The ability needs to be weaker then a casters because of the OTHER things it gains.

Ahh, somneone sees the truth!

Maybe thats why I didn't give mages 1 BAB per level and rage.

DC maxes at 19 right now, yes thats low. How about 14+PM levels? That maxes at 24.

We can try that for now.

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:06 pm

24 fort save is useless. Why 14?

Maybe I shouldn't be so picky.

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:07 am

Musekaze wrote:you shouldn't be making these suggestions without playing the class. thats how you determine if somethign is over/underpowered. not by making assumptions.

if you see them played enought you have plenty of insight on how they work and how underpower/overpowerd they are.

and where did you get 45 ab?(not musekaze)

isiana · Post by **isiana** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:32 am

13 bab+11 str/dex+20 ts=44 ab.

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:36 am

gotcha. i think Rarys dc isnt so bad. it would make it better. is that for both the death and the hold one?

isiana · Post by **isiana** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:39 am

Death one.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:01 am

Touch doesn't work with weapon finesse.

isiana · Post by **isiana** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:10 am

isiana wrote:13 bab+11 str/dex+20 ts=44 ab.

Post by **Rary** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:20 pm

T3hRedMage wrote:24 fort save is useless. Why 14?

Maybe I shouldn't be so picky.

Default DC was 14+1 per 2 PM lvls.
So I made it 14+1 per PM lvl.

Daniel wrote:gotcha. i think Rarys dc isnt so bad. it would make it better. is that for both the death and the hold one?

I don't see a death effect in the script at all. Are you sure it does a death effect?

Petrify is all I see.

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:18 pm

At leve 10 it can do instant death.

My PM is level 14 with a DC 22 fort petrify. It won't even work on level 10's.. I only got it to work on Syrius 1 out of 21 tries. This is counting all successful saves, touch attack and vs. conceal. She had 11 fort so it was a 50% chance.

I also tried it on pure strength fighters. 17 fort at level 10, if I could get the touch attack.

It's still rather useless. Can't get it on a sneak because they.. well.. they CS.

Post by **Rary** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:29 pm

Getting it on sneaks is easier than all of them. Ungraft autofollows.

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:45 pm

Autofollowing is a disgrace and illegal amoung players.

Or is it? * Touches Rarys face with his boney hand. *