Monk +5 gloves?

Post by **Rary** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:15 am

+5 attack bonus only gloves for monks?

Purpose to have them better against mages.

Don't comment without voting.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:37 am

Since Monks should be the bane of Mages then pure monks could get the gloves.

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:04 pm

I say yes for any monks as the restriction level will be something like 16. Which means that a few multi's wouldn't be a lot weaker then pures.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:47 pm

Pure monks otherwise you would see the lame monk/rogue/sin build become the most dominant build.

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:03 pm

My DEX ranger kills mages in under 2 rounds with two +5 daggers. d20 fisted monks will do it even faster.

Lord Mephisto · Post by **Lord Mephisto** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:11 pm

Monks are already extremely dangerous to casters because of their speed and stealth.

Granting them an ability to push through all defences would simply be too much I think.

Pure fighters should get +5 weapons to bring back the classic fighter characters. Monks are dangerous enough as they are by far. Even a Monk noob like me could create a anti-caster monster from the Nine Hells.

A95 · Post by **A95** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:44 pm

Monks have no stealth skills that are not trumped by cross classing and a few items.

30 SR is hardly helpful because don't mages get +20/19 depending if they are not multi.

The only thing that helps is spamming stun fists and speed, but that isn't that much.

Xianio · Post by **Xianio** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:34 pm

From my experience monks do well but overall the mage still has the upperhand if they play well, even against a well played monk. I'd like to see it stacked on the monks side rather then requiring the monk to give a stronger performance then the mage.

T3hRedMage · Post by **T3hRedMage** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:04 pm

I agree with Gnarr in both of his posts. The level requirment on the gloves would be 16 or so. If you multiclass, that takes 1 away from the monk level requirment, so you'd need 17 monk to use them. A multiclassed monk with 3 other levels in something else... won't have an upper hand against mages than a pure monk.

I haven't seen a high level mage lose to a monk in a long time. If they do.. it's after dying twice and only killing them by d8 magical damage a hit.

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:31 am

Because the Monk Sr is pretty useless a mage with greater spell pen goes through it like a knife through butter...

Casas · Post by **Casas** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:08 am

It's not more stacking for the monk, it's all the chips for the monk. My STR monk doesn't wear haste against mages, he buys elemental amulet (their shields now void), and just spams stun fist or kd (if they are kd immune they will fail stun fist wearing cursed haste). With the help of a+5 fist, he will drop a mage so utterly quick, it's laughable.

To note, the SR is not useless, it isn't as effective as cleric or druid SR, but it is not useless.

Lord Mephisto · Post by **Lord Mephisto** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:47 pm

Casas wrote:It's not more stacking for the monk, it's all the chips for the monk. My STR monk doesn't wear haste against mages, he buys elemental amulet (their shields now void), and just spams stun fist or kd (if they are kd immune they will fail stun fist wearing cursed haste). With the help of a+5 fist, he will drop a mage so utterly quick, it's laughable.

To note, the SR is not useless, it isn't as effective as cleric or druid SR, but it is not useless.

QFT

Post by **Rary** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:44 pm

Going in for now for pure monks. Consider them beta to see how they go.